Curse

zling · Mar 04, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

at op, in PvE AoE>single target damage.
yes, even with sabway. think about that splinter from your rit when you use evis or when you use say cyclone axe. splinter will trigger a lot more with cyclone, and with sabway you dont have a problem to even put splinter on 2 heroes so it wouldnt run out that fast...

Snow Bunny · Mar 04, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Vir Leto

I don't see the point of WE in the build above.

In my opinion in PVE if you want to take WE, you better go with scythe. The damage output would be superior to that of the other weapons combined with WE. But if you do want to insist on using WE with other weapons, [protector's strike] would be a good addition.

Try spamming [power attack] and [asuran scan] on recharge without [warrior's endurance].

There's 4 energy skills there, two of them VERY spammable.

Vir Leto · Mar 04, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Try spamming [power attack] and [asuran scan] on recharge without [warrior's endurance].

There's 4 energy skills there, two of them VERY spammable.

You don't need [warrior's endurance] to spam asuran. So basicaly you are filling your elite slot to power up [power attack], when you could take for example: [cleave] and [executioner's strike] with [asuran scan] and deal superior damage. And cleave is very spammable aswell.

Now if you really want to make WE work on axes, you could bring [cyclone axe] and [protector's strike], maybe even [counterattack] (thought the 6 recharge ain't that hot) and then you really use WE. Otherwise you hit with [power attack] once and then autoattack untill it recharges, while the point of WE is too constantly spam attack skills, thus dealing damage and gaining energy for the next attack skill. But ofcourse you would then have to drop some skills the bar would look something like:

[warrior's endurance][power attack][cyclone axe][protector's strike][body blow][flail][asuran scan]["Save Yourselves!"]
Thus you also get to use [cyclone axe] which syncs very well with [splinter weapon], as mentioned above; [protector's strike] can be replaced with [counterattack] , or if you really need to interupt stuff [distracting strike].

But WE with scythe still outdamages this. The inherit option to hit 3 foes at once coupled with fast activation skills and scythe's dmg range just rips through mobs at a very fast pace

_Nihilist_ · Mar 05, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

Definitely go with Warrior's Endurance. Cleave is bad, inferior to Furious Axe and Symbolic Strike with Healsig and Rezz Sig.

So apparently using Healing Signet and Resurrection Signet to fuel Symbolic Strike for a 4A +24dmg attack is better than letting your Monks heal, carrying a Hard Rez on a bar that doesn't require a secondary, AND justifies using WE as the Elite? That's 3 completely wasted skillslots for crap damage so you can spam Power Attack.

I think you need to reconsider your advice, ac1...

If you are even going to TAKE self-healing, [[Healing Signet] is outclassed by [[Lion's Comfort], especially since you are going to be running high Strength to get the most out of WE. Add to that the fact that HealSig has a 2sec cast, during which time you take double damage, vs the 1sec cast of LC, which also gives you adrenaline. Just time it so that you don't immediately have to use a signet afterwards (you're wasting a slot with Rez Sig since you don't have a secondary requirement for this bar, and even then, only [Signet of Return] or [Death Pact Signet] would be affected if you chose to run one of them).

If you wanted to run WE as the Elite to spam [Power Attack] and [Cyclone Axe] and [Asuran Scan], sure, but don't try to justify Symbolic Strike with such a weak argument. That's just flapping your lips and creating a nice gusty breeze.

ac1inferno · Mar 05, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00

For all the people defending [[Cleave], stop looking at it as a skill and start looking at it as an elite.

I mean sure it's strong as a skill, but it's not worth it as an elite because there are other elites you can use that are so much more useful.

The problem with [[Cleave] is that it can't perform in a way that no other non-elite skill can't imitate. It's a spammable attack and [[Furious Axe] and [[Symbolic Strike] can replicate that with only a little less effectiveness. Not so much that it doesn't work, I mean sure Cleave is still better, but the range in effectiveness between the two isn't worth the elite.

Hugh Manatee · Mar 06, 2009, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Try [Tryptophan Signet], shorter range and slightly less of a debuff to speed, but it affects attack speed in addition to movement. I've been using it instead of grasping and it seems to be doing well. I can drop the /E secondary and run other stuff on the earth shaker. It's fuel for symbolic, it's targetable, it's free, it lasts a bit longer then grasping at higher ranks with no att investment.

Anyway [cleave] got lost in the power creep. There's a bunch of other spamable attacks that are either non elite, are used in conjunction with elites that buff the whole rest of the bar or are elite and do things that cleave can't do(or do what it does better).

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 06, 2009, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Try [Tryptophan Signet], shorter range and slightly less of a debuff to speed, but it affects attack speed in addition to movement. I've been using it instead of grasping and it seems to be doing well. I can drop the /E secondary and run other stuff on the earth shaker. It's fuel for symbolic, it's targetable, it's free, it lasts a bit longer then grasping at higher ranks with no att investment.

Just noting a con for TS, it counts as a PvE skill, and in certain builds (like DSlash) you don't really want to drop anything for it (Asuran Scan, SY, Brawling Headbutt).